What If Your Real Problem Is Thinking

Sleep Deprived And Getting Started

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Hello, friends. Welcome to the show.

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What is going on, my people? Good morning. Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Modern Leadership Coaching Podcast. We will try and get it together here today. We will try and get it together because we have a really powerful episode today. We actually didn't get a lot of sleep last night. This is like the day after we did that huge workshop, and it was amazing, and my energy would not go away. So I didn't sleep too well. So I'm taking some pre-workout. We're going to turn this ship around. You ready to do that? Yep. Okay, so today we're talking all police work. Okay, not really. But we kind of are. So I don't know if you guys know this, but in the police academy, at least for the Los Angeles Police Department, you have to spend 996 hours to be qualified as a police officer. When you do that, you know, they give you a badge, they go on the street, and you know, they have taught you so much about law and tactics and driving and shooting and report writing, how to control a scene. Like literally, they give you like mock situations over and over and over again. And then I walked out into the streets, and guess what? I felt clueless. I felt like, what did I even learn? Because like I was trying to think about going through that process and learning all the tactics. Like, I should, I should be good to go. I should, I shouldn't know exactly what to do and how to figure it out and everything. But that was the furthest from the truth. And it actually took me years to figure out why that was the case, why I felt clueless and why I still felt like I was starting off and I hadn't spend all that time in the academy and all those hours. And that's what we want to talk about today. Because really, learning this part of why tactics are not enough can change your life. Because it definitely changed mine. And that's what I want to talk about today. So my name is Mark. Welcome to Modern Leadership Coaching.

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And I'm Teresa. Hey Mark.

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This is where we help people lead themselves effectively, even when we can't lead ourselves.

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This is this is a train wreck right now.

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This is this is real life. This is real life. Okay, so let's start off with this whole idea of like going through the academy. I think you have some questions to ask me.

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So I do, but I I first want to say because when we started talking about this, I started to think back to that time. I was your girl girlfriend at the time. What? Yeah,

Police Academy Lessons And The Shock

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it was your girlfriend. And I remember the day, I think it might have been in a family orientation. Yeah. Where your parents were there, I was there, and you were all dressed up in a suit. And then you know, all of the new uh recruits were there, and it seemed all really nice. They had like, you know, like everybody was nice.

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It's like a community, it's like you're selling ice, it's gonna be an amazing experience.

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Yes, and I was like, oh, this is really nice. And then you started. And then I was like, oh my god, you poor thing. Um, but yeah, it just it brought back memories.

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I I remember that, and this is not a part of the episode, but I want to share this. Like, like they were like super nice, right? And then those same people, like they're like, Okay, so we're gonna, you guys are gonna line up and you're ready to get your equipment so that you can get ready for the academy, because I think we're starting on Monday. And then they started to rip into us, like once you guys, once we were out of your immediate vicinity, and we were like, What is going on? And and thank God there was a guy that was right next to me who had a full head of hair, and he had like, I don't know, he was like wearing something just like not normal for an orientation because they brought a lot of pain to him and they ignored me. They were calling him Elvis because of how much hair he had. But anyway, like um, I remember that. It was very traumatizing. And at the same time, I'm like, okay, well, I thought everything was going to be like cool, calm, and collected, and it wasn't. But I learned a lot. I'm gonna be honest with you.

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That was when you shaved your head and then it never came back.

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That's when I shaved the lip and it never came back. And I wonder why. So, all right, let's get into this learning lesson from my pain. Let's do it.

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Right. All right, so I'm curious to know like what those 996 hours actually taught you.

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Yeah, so so they taught me like um what to do, right? And and we think about this a lot, even in the workshop from yesterday, is like is a lot of people tend to think they need to know what to do, right? I need to know what to do when X, Y, and Z happens. I need a law, I need to know how to handcuff people, I need a Russian control, I need to learn how to use my firearm, I need to learn all of this kind of stuff. And so what they would teach you is all of the things around what you need to know, what you need to do. There was a very key component that was missing, and we're gonna talk about that today. But like that's what they taught me. And and it was top of the line teaching, by the way. I don't mean that they didn't teach me well. I mean Los Angeles Police Department is one of the finest uh police departments in the entire world. People come from all over just to go through our academy. And it's amazing, but there was one key vital point that they didn't teach and train. And I'm gonna say this because if I have some high-up ranking LEPD who listen to this podcast, that they definitely need to start thinking about what we're gonna be talking about today. And that's not just telling people what actions to take, but teaching them how to think because common sense, it's actually not common in that scenario because that's not a normal situation. You're not gonna walk into somebody's house and and have to, you know, take on some police action most of the time, right? So you have to learn how to think in that scenario less than what to do, more on what to think. What to do is important. I'm not gonna dismiss that, but the thinking part of the process, they never taught me.

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Yeah. So what did it feel like walking out onto the quote unquote field because you're taught these things. You're like in a classroom, and then also, you know, like the the physical aspect of it. So you're taught those things, but then you get into the real world. So, like, what did it feel like to go out there?

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Yeah, well, when we were in the academy and we were like um, I don't know what the word is, like uh sheltered from the people on the outside world, felt like I knew a lot. Felt like, man, I'm gonna do really well with this. And then when I got into the real world, I felt like I was lost. I felt like I was handcuffed to somebody to basically ask them what I should do and when I should do it and when should I not do it. I felt like I was totally dependent on another human on what to do and what not to do. Because I didn't know how to think for myself in the capacity of being a police officer. I didn't. I just knew what to do, right? And I didn't realize that that was an important skill to have. As a matter of fact, I just felt like I was just clueless. Like I didn't know what I was doing. Maybe there's something wrong with me, right? Because I didn't know all of those other things that everybody else was knowing. So so that's what was coming up for me.

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So

Field Training Teaches Real Thinking

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that that shows like how important it was for your field training officer. Yeah. Right. Because you have these people who are just coming out of the academy. They they know stuff, like they know, like you said, they know the law, they know some tactics. But then when you actually have to utilize those skills, it's important to have someone who can take care of you because it's literally life or death.

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Right.

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100%. And in that specific moment, I felt like I was handcuffed to my field training officer. And by the way, you said P3. I think you said P2, P3. No, you didn't. So in in uh LEPD, it's called a P3, which is a field training officer. It's somebody who has worked for enough time as a P2 police officer too, and has taken a test and has passed it, as well as an oral interview, to actually get the spot of a field training officer. It's not something that's given out. And now I understand why it's so important. Because when you get into that situation, you're teaching your P1 less what to do and more how to think. How to think in that scenario. Because like you go to a situation, every situation is not handled the same. They are all handled differently. You have to think on your feet, you have to like look at the signs, you have to read body language, you have to make a decision based off of, okay, here's policy, but also in this situation, that doesn't seem like it applies. Like there's so many different things that you have to figure out. And like you said, it's life or death, which is really scary. Like when you realize it, like, okay, they put me out on the field. I have like a gun and a badge, and I'm here to protect people, but like I don't know how to think through these scenarios, and I need somebody else to be able to help me with that, right? And so a big part of this is being attached to my field training officer and learning how to think. Learning how, like, how to process things, how to make a decision which path to go down, when to go down this side, when to go down that path, right? And by watching that behavior model from him and then learning from him, I said him, but I had a lot of amazing, incredible female field training officers too. But learning from them was really, really helpful. But I know we talked about this in a previous episode. Also learning how not to think was a big part of that too. Because some of them would treat you poorly, some of them would treat citizens poorly, some of them would, I don't know, there's just different scenarios, and I'm sure I told you about some of them, but like situations that you don't want to be in that you don't want to act like, right? So there was a whole lot of learning how to think, but also what not to think, some of the things not to do. And those were all very vital things when I got connected to that P3.

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When you got out there and you were out in the field and you're with your like training officer for I think it's a year, right? Before you're actually like officially a voice. So it's it was seven months of training? Yep. Seven months at the academy, and then a year of you know, being with some another officer. Yes. Until they're like, okay, you're good enough that you can and you and you still wouldn't be by yourself. You'd have a partner.

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Yeah. Right? Yeah, for the for the most time, for the most part, LAPD works with partners unless you're in traffic or you're um uh what's called a U-boat, like a report writing. But yes, mostly at at LAPD it's two people.

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Yeah. So when say when you got out there and you're and you said like I was clueless, what did you feel you were really clueless about? Like what what was like your biggest fear?

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For me, it was like waiting and depending on somebody else to tell me what to do. Because it wasn't like I would freeze. It's just like I would go through and overthink all of the different ways of like what I could do. What's the best way to do this? Well, what if I did it this way? What are the and in a split-second decision like that, you cannot second guess that. And because I didn't know how to think, I would overprocess it, I would overthink things. I would just go spin in my mind. And then I'd make a decision, and it would probably be the wrong decision because it was focused on something else that maybe I didn't see, right? And so it was just going through that scenario of not knowing how to process it, not knowing how to think about it. By the way, when you said like after a year, I want to make sure that I'm clear. So after a year, you pass probation, right? And then you get to work with other P2s. And they put me with my classmate, Alex. And we're both still clueless. We we had a little bit of ideas behind our, but it was like, we would go, like, hey, what do you think we should do? And he'd be like, I don't know. What do you think you should do? And then like it was really, it was a fun time in in our career.

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I guess we'd have had a sitcom.

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We could have had a sitcom if if there was like a um a video camera in the It was like a Reno 911. It was it is a Reno 911. I was a lieutenant for sure. But no, it was a process of being able to figure out both him and I on how to think about situations that came up. And sometimes we'd have to call a sergeant, sometimes we would talk to some of the other, like more senior people. But because we were able to lean on each other, we actually figured out a lot. And believe it or not, we actually did things better in some of those respects. Because, like, you know, like when the younger group comes in and everybody's like, oh, like you got to do things the old way, old-fashioned way, right? And you have to kind of do that in the beginning. But then you can get creative and figure out new ways to do things, especially when we're younger, we're gonna connect with some of the younger people that we come across on the streets, and they're not. And so we would just find more creative ways to be able to do that. So, um, but so I don't want you to think that after a year, I feel like I I had it all figured out. It was one of these things where, as a police officer, like you get to a certain stage when you figure it out, that's when they promote you and you feel like you don't figure you don't have it figured out again. Like and then you get really good and then they promote you to detective, and you get really good, and then they promote

Beyond Policing The Thinking Gap

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you to sergeant, and they get really good, and then you go to internal affairs as a sergeant too. It's like, oh my gosh, right. And by the way, I want to make sure that we bring this all home because like I'm talking about police work, but I'm not talking about police work today. Cause I want to show you like how this actually relates no matter what it is that you do, but I wanted to like share it in this frame of mind so you can kind of hear and see some of the things that I was going through, but also look at some of the things that you might be currently going through right now, where you think maybe it's more of a you need to learn what to do, but in reality, you need to figure out how to think.

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And how long did it take you before you kind of figured out what was missing, essentially?

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So, so I think that as I got involved in coaching and the self-leadership piece that I started to understand that it was less about telling people what to do and more about teaching them how to think. And this was because for me, um it started off with the health and fitness thing, right? So the health and fitness thing, I was like, I just want to be told what to do, like the activities to do. But there is an overwhelming lot of information out there on what to do. There's very little things on how to think to be successful when it comes to your health and fitness. Same with growing a business. There is a lot of ways of growing a business. There's a lot of people who can tell you what to do. There are very few people who will tell you how to think as a business owner. And so, in all of these different places, like when you are focused on growing, there are going to be some tactics for you to focus on, but not as important as how you think, right? How you think as somebody who makes $10,000 a year is different than somebody who thinks and creates a hundred thousand dollar a year business versus somebody who has a million-dollar business. They think differently. Some of the tactics could be different too, but when you think about like what it actually takes to become that type of person, it's not just the tactics. Anybody could search what it takes to become like a millionaire. But how often do we actually find somebody saying, I'm gonna teach you how to think like this? Now the truth is we do. They're called coaches. It's the reason why we I had a P3. They were my coach. They didn't know it, but they were teaching me how to think. There's a reason why I have my coach, Stacy, because she tells me how to think at the multi uh $10 million level. This is how you think when you approach business situations. This is how you think when you have these situations, when you're putting together a program, when you're, you know, doing the marketing or sales or anything like that. That's the reason why we're connecting with Catherine today because of how she thinks. She's been in marketing and sales for 25 years. The way that she thinks is different than somebody who just got out with a degree, right? And so, like when we think about this, really reframing it away from I need to figure out the tactics and framing it into I need to learn how successful people think, that is the game changer. Now, we don't realize this is the case because a lot of times people talk about tactics. You know why? Because everybody thinks that's what they need. But I always say this is like if you knew what you need, you would have already had it. Like there's an infinite amount of knowledge and stuff that's out there, an infinite amount of AI, which don't get me on that subject. Maybe we'll talk about that in a different time frame. AI is amazing, but I guarantee you, if you ask it a question, and then after that question you say, challenge your thinking, it's gonna tell you that what it said was wrong. Every single time I've done that, it's actually done that. So it's like one of those things where it's like AI is telling you what to do. It's not telling you how to think, it's not teaching you how to think. So you gotta find somebody, a team, a group, uh somebody who's a few steps ahead of you. And instead of just learning about the tactics, start figuring out okay, how do successful people in this space think? And that's really the game changer.

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I'm not gonna dive into this too much. So if you can

Thinking On Purpose And Rewiring

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kind of briefly explain this, like when you say you have to learn how to think, like what what do you really mean by that? Like, how do you teach that?

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Yeah. So obviously we talk about it in the self-leadership lab, and we're gonna talk about that at the end. Okay, remind me about that. But when I say thinking, I mean thinking on purpose. Okay. So a lot of times what we do is we think based off of the past, based off of things that generally keep us safe. And so we have history and our past and experiences that we pull up and we bring to the present and we kind of like forecast it into the future. So if we have, like, let's say somebody says, um, we're terrible at math, right? Just simple example. Somebody has told you your whole life you're terrible at math, and you approach a situation today, reminding yourself, oh, I suck at math. You're taking something from the past and projecting it into the future. And when you don't realize it, you're bringing your old thinking the way that you used to think, into a situation where you need to think on a higher level and it's happening automatically, and you're not taking back control over the thinking so you can think on purpose. So, what we're talking about yesterday on the workshop was the processes of like being able to stop yourself going down that path of self-destruction, reframing it, finding a different way, a different thought, a different perspective to think on purpose, and then rewiring your brain so that that's just the way you think on autopilot. Now, I described it simply, but it requires reps, it requires a couple different skills, it requires some feedback, and it requires somebody spotting that past story that you're telling yourself that maybe you think is true or that you've been telling yourself over and over and over again. So, all of that is what I mean by you're thinking on purpose, right? You're no longer just going with your automatic thoughts. You're able to stop, you're able to reframe it, and you're able to find a different perspective or a different thought. Now, how you find those new perspectives and thoughts is you surround yourself in an environment with other people who are maybe a few steps ahead of you, people who've been able to achieve things that you haven't been able to achieve. People who really understand how the brain works. That's very important for me, is like I have to be around people who understand how the brain works. That's the reason why we connected with Catherine, because she understands how the brain works. If she was just about marketing and sales, I don't know if I would really connect with her. Because for me, I need to learn how to think less than, hey, do this, you know, say this, right? I want to know why. Why would we want to say that? What's the reasoning behind that? It's the whole adage of like, do you want to give a man a fish or teach them to fish? I want people to teach me how to fish, not just give me a fish, right? And that's what I mean by this process is you're choosing what to think on purpose so you can show up on purpose, get the results you want. And if you're not getting the results that you want, the first thing you need to do is not look at your strategy, look at your thinking, because that's generally where the leak is.

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So going back to your police life, um, your police career, past life, your past life, when you started to realize that it, you know, it wasn't just the taxes, it's how you thought. Like what what changed for you? Like, give us kind of like a before and after.

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When I would consume information after I understood this, I would be less looking for the tactics and more about the why behind it. Like what was actually driving that behavior? How could I think about that situation and maybe even move it to another area where maybe I found that I wasn't thinking on a higher enough level. So one of the things that I'm really good at is spotting things in one area and going, oh, so if this applies over here, I can pull out the universal principles here and plug it into this other area. And so basically what I would do is I would go into a training and I would get out 3,000% more than everybody else who went there. Because everybody in there was going for the tactics. I was going for, I'm going to listen to the instructors and they're going to tell me how to think. And if I choose to think that way, I'm just going to be on a different level. And that's what I would do. And there'd be some times when I would go into a situation like that where I'd be like, that's gold. I'm going to keep that. And in other times, I'd be like, nope, not keeping that, not doing any of that. So it was like I would see things differently than everybody in the room. People would come out of trainings and they were like, that's horrible. That's terrible. Like that, that was a bad training. And I'm like, really? Like, were we sitting in the same training? Because I got so much out of that. And I'm going to actually start to implement it. And so that's what I started to do is I started to grow exponentially fast because I was more open to learning what I needed to learn, which is how to think, not what to do. They went in there with how what to do, and they weren't able to like learn all the things that I did. So it's kind of like a speed boost for yes, the police work, but this is also what I did in business. It's also what I did with parenting. It's also what I did in like all of these other areas because I wanted to grow faster, not slower.

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Yeah. And the tactics just worked so much better when you you knew how to think. When you um had, you know, a perspective of

Switching Roles Without Bringing Work Home

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learning and getting the most out of whatever you were um being taught.

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Yeah. So yeah. Let me let me ask you a couple questions because I know you kind of brought this up. So what did you see in me during those years? Um, from the time that I got started all the way through like the 20 years, like what did you see?

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Yeah, I think the the biggest thing that I um the the biggest change that I kind of saw or was like an evolution of how you would bring home what was happening at work. So it it was difficult um at the beginning because you know it's it's it's hard to be able to manage that and to separate that. And, you know, at first it was kind of like, hey, let me tell you what happened today and all of that. And then you had to kind of manage, well, what do I what do I tell her and what do I keep from her? Because it was kind of like this delicate balance of do I worry her? Do I you know, all that stuff. And then, you know, when the kids came along, it was like it was even harder because it was like there was so much stress happening at home, and then the stress from work, and it was kind of like I could see that sometimes you would bring whatever was happening at work home. And it was very difficult to manage. Um, but then I started to see that shift where it was like, you know, you could take your hat off, your police officer hat and put on your, you know, your father hat, your husband hat, right? So I could st start to see that change. And it was something that affected us in in a good way. Right. Because it was more of like, hey, I'm I'm present here now as the family person, right? Like the the the dad, the the husband. And it wasn't like bringing in the police officer and the tactics that you would have for your police work and bringing it home. It was like, no, like I leave that at work. Now I'm home and you would act accordingly. So that's that's what I would see.

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Yeah, yeah. You bring up a really solid point. So with the whole idea of like learning how to think, you have to think differently in different areas of your life, right? So I had to think differently as a police officer because accidentally I would bring that home and I would think the same way on duty as I was at home. And that was not good. And I am so thankful that you stuck around and put up with me. But like you have to think differently as a father. You have to think differently as trying to be the best husband in the world. You have to think differently as a business owner. And if you're intermixing those, there's some things that you can pull from it, but there's a lot that you can't. And what we accidentally do, because our brain does this, is we bring in one area to the other. And that was just another process that I had to go through of like understanding you got to think differently depending on the specific situation that you're in. And you got to think on purpose, not be fueled by what's going on around you, whether or not like people are agreeing with you or not, whether or not people are fighting with you or not, whether or not people are responding or reacting a certain way. You have to take control of your thoughts so you can take control of your actions. Um, and I think that that, even being like on the street of uh Los Angeles, like taught me so much about being able to lead myself. Because like during like some of the riots and some of the things like that, you'd be amazed at what people will say to you and can't let it affect you. You can't. It's just the way it is, right? But it teaches you a lot about how to manage your internal game. And I'm gonna say this, not every police officer learned that, but it is definitely a really powerful skill when you get good at being able to lead yourself and take control of the stories and perspectives that you allow to consume your brain so that it's not something bad about you. So I'm curious what your version of this is. And what I mean by that is like maybe something that you did a lot of training in or spent a lot of hours working, like the tactics where it kind of like when you left, you kind of felt where something was missing or you didn't feel like

Handling Pushback With Better Perspective

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qualified or really how to think. Like, do you have a scenario that comes up for you in terms of that?

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Yeah, I kind of think about my career as well. You know, when I was working for UCLA Health, you know, I I had to learn some of the different things, in particular with the field that I was in. And I I think that as I was going through my health journey and I was starting to understand coaching a little bit more, that helped me in my career as well because it got me to think about what my perspectives were when I would get into situations at work. What I was doing, just kind of like briefly, what I was doing was I was a sustainability manager and I had to work with pretty much every department in the hospital. And I was actually also in communications with the university as well, because they had a sustainability department. It was difficult to be able to manage different personalities, different ways of thinking and the pushback I would get and all of that. And I had the tools and I had the skills to take care of like the practical things, like, hey, you know, you need to implement this particular system or you need to, you know, put recycle bins in in this particular department or what have you. But I also had to learn how to think as far as like how to manage people's expectations and people's perception of the work that we were doing. Yeah. Like what I would get pushback on was when I would say, Hey, you have to take this extra step. Yeah. Right. And they're like, uh, I'm doing something, you know, maybe it was like a medical department, and I was, you know, they were like, I'm not doing that. Right. So it's kind of like I couldn't let it affect me as far as like, oh, it's personal to me, like I'm being personally attacked or something. It was like, no, like you're kind of dealing with, hey, there's all of these steps that they have to take, and now you're adding another step to their process. And it's like, how do you work through that? And how do you come to an agreement on, hey, like this isn't, hey, I just want to give you an extra step. It's hey, like this is the the big picture of everything and how it's gonna benefit them in the long run. Yeah. So I had to kind of learn through that. And I don't know if I answered your question, but that's kind of how it uh worked for me and my career.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Yeah, you totally gave us a perfect example because you know, most people had situation, you'd be like, I'm your boss, you do this, right? And that is a way of thinking. It's typically not successful, as opposed to like, oh, they're probably thinking this is just another thing that I have to add to my plate. And so it just gets you to think differently, right? You have a different perspective. Now you're looking at it from their perspective, which is a higher level of thinking. And you have to kind of stop yourself and actually start to rework that so that that can become automatic, where you're no longer just thinking it through your lens, you're thinking it through the other person's lens too. So, once again, that's learning how to think differently. You're thinking at a heightened level. You're seeing things that other people can't see. And that's why you get results that other people can't get, because you're not just limited to what you see, you understand that the way people think is really, really

Weekly Challenge And Self Leadership Lab Invite

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important and valuable too. All right, we want to give people a little bit of a stretch, okay? Because Lisa loves it when we give her a challenge, right? So I want to give them a challenge, and then we also want to close this out with a direct invite. So here's what I want you to do this week. I want you to think about all this training, all the training that you've personally had, whether it's schools, degrees, certifications, every course, every conference that you've been to. Now I want you to think about the first time that you felt clueless anyway. You had all of those things, but you had no idea what was going on. There was a gap. Now, that gap wasn't you. They trained you in what to do. But when was the last time that somebody actually trained you to think while you're doing it? Now that's why we want to give you a direct invite. This is the reason why we built the self-leadership lab. Now, I personally had to go about finding these things in my mid-30s when I had two kids trying to juggle, growing a coaching business. And at the same time, I actually paid $18,000 in my certification to really learn this process of how the brain works and how to get myself to be able to lead myself. Plus, all the other programs and coaches that I hired that helped me to learn how to think on this higher level. And I don't want you guys to have to do that. That's why the self-leadership lab is the place to join. We start Monday, November 2nd. Now the program is 60 days. There's nine live calls with me and Teresa and a group of people who can see what you can't see on your own. Now it's capped 15 people. I know at the time of this recording, we have a couple of spots that are left still. So definitely grab a spot. We close enrollment on Sunday, November 1st at midnight, or once we hit 15 people. If you go to modeleadership.us forward slash lab, you can join us in the self-leadership lab. And if you're not sure if this is the right thing for you, don't guess and don't count yourself out. Because when we think about self-leadership, it's about leading yourself not just during the easy times, but the hard times too. There's a link on that page, modeleadership.us forward slash lab, to jump on a call and grab 15 minutes with me for free, have a conversation, and I'll be straight with you whether this is for you or not. Um, definitely not the type of person who wants to talk people into this. It has to be the right fit. And if that's the case, I'll invite you and you can join us in the lab. We definitely want you to be able to lean in and not have to spend the next 10 years trying to figure this out, trying to focus on the tactics, but instead really focus on the things we talked about today, which is learning how high performers think, learning how people who have had the most success, how they approach things differently, not just with the tactics, but the way that they think. And that's what we're gonna be doing. And we're super pumped to do that. You ready to do that with me?

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Yeah. Heck yeah. Super excited.

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Super excited. All right, guys. Thank you guys for tuning in for another episode. Jump into the lab. We'd be super pumped to have you in there. And any questions, don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you guys for all you do. And above all, keep leading from the front.